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Annick Goldsmith & Big Twins Hempire

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Pete 0:00
All right, welcome to another episode of hempire Pete Bahrenburg here along with my co host and founder of pure well CEO, Nick DeFrancesco. What’s up, buddy? How you doing?

Nick 0:10
I’m doing good. I’m doing good. We’ve had a crazy week this week with a lot of new products that we’re working on. And um, you know, I’m excited because we have somebody that’s legendary in music. We have somebody that’s making big movements out in cannabis. Very knowledgeable. Why don’t you tell everybody what we go we have today Pete Well,

Pete 0:31
the legend you must be speaking with is a part of the infamous mob as well as my deep adjacent we’re talking about big twins aka twin game, you know, how’re you doing, sir?

Big Twins 0:41
Hey, how you doing? Doing out there?

Pete 0:44
Doing well. And we also here with founder of Black Market group, and it Goldsmith. Anak how are you?

Annick 0:50
It’s a meek but awesome. i It happens all the time. My mom gave me that name just so people would I’d have a conversation starter would be bought.

Nick 1:02
unique, unique. Right, right. Exactly. Um, you know, it’s funny, because, you know, I was talking, going through some of the articles whenever we have somebody on, it was going through, you know, something when 137 It’s an interview about support for legacy farmers and social equity. And Rakim would spoke on it. And he’s talking about, you know, the real support, not just talk, the ability to think creatively with cultivation and willingness to try ideas. So talk to us a little bit about the support of BMG that’s given out for just cannabis in general, what you’re stand for and

Annick 1:46
what you’re passionate about. I mean, totally, that’s why you see someone from hip hop era with, we’d had we’d nerd right, because these two things go hand in hand. Legacy is like a fundamental piece of our of both these industries, right, folks took risks built a thing, were considered counterculture for a really long time, we look at the 90s, like, the two biggest enemies of the state where we didn’t wrap right, we had friggin congressional hearings, and that’s for sure. naughty words and music, you know, folks who are like, yeah, right. And so blending those two pieces. And like, that’s why we’re working with Rakim, and it’s why we work with twins and all these folks is blending those pieces of your life, you built this thing, you need to have a place in it. And the music industry went through this, this whole time period where like systematically strip people of their music rights strip people of their masters gate kept, and we don’t like I said, black market group, we don’t want to see that happen for weed. And we’re still in a time period where we can call this thing back from MSOs. And back from my point, he showed chewed bros, like Chad’s and bottle Bros and all those who think that they get to, like turn this into their, you know, vanity playpen. But the reality is, is like we still have time to not have to go to that same arc that rap and hip hop did work. Thank God now it’s back to like being democratized where people are making their own music themselves are in charge of their own shit. But we don’t have to go through that struggle. We can stop this right now and smack in the hands of the folks who built it. And we’re the best caretakers for it. You know, there’s people who hidden trees, so they can grow their weed. I know a woman who’s like 85 years old, who slept in tree platforms for like six years straight so she can water her plants, you know, supposed to be in this business right now. Not some guy in a Patagonia vest. You know the investment banker logo on the tip

Pete 3:38
doesn’t know shit about soil. Because know

Annick 3:41
shit about shit about shit doesn’t know what she heard about the culture. Why do you think cookies kills it? Right and Mad Men Mad? Mad Mad. Mad Men was such a shit show. Because Berner knows what the culture is. He came from this culture and men men Han had no idea and so, you know, that’s what that’s what we’re doing here are trying to at least

Nick 4:03
know I love it. I mean, this is this is exactly and you know, it’s kind of funny because I know you had said something like, again your dream right? You’re following your dream. You knew you were listening to cassette tapes, sneaking away smoking weed back in the day. And and you can’t imagine that this is what really what you do for a living now. Right? Right. Right. Right. So so how did you get you know, how did you get into this? You know, so I mean, let’s start there.

Annick 4:29
I it was accidental for me. I mean, I moved packs, allegedly back. It’s long enough now but I moved back back when I lived in New York, but on the cultivation side, it was kind of just a whole bunch of accidents. And I ended up in Southern Humboldt with some folk cats who have been growing since like the 60s 70s 80s. And to me as a person who had operated in business and business development before but also had, you know, has a passion for weed was like wow, this feels like an opportunity to get a master’s degree in cannabis and to learn this art is great. After folks who’ve been doing it for a long time, and to not have to deal with all the expensive mistakes that they did, you know, that’s, that’s what experience is. And if you get to like, apprentice for somebody like that that’s worthwhile. And then I just got like addicted to the culture of this environment, which is like as cool as blend of like meritocracy and ruggedness and self sufficiency and outlaw cowboy shit and intersectionality. And the fact that like, people who like we don’t look or act or aren’t a certain way, it’s everybody. Twin and I talked about this all the time, like, how the fuck would we know each other? If it weren’t for we’re

Nick 5:38
talking about that all the time, how it brings everybody together, you know, and it doesn’t matter what walk of life you’re from, or where your upbringing was, or your demographic, or sociogram, it doesn’t matter. And it’s the love of the planet. And some reasons are for culture, some reasons are for fun, some reasons or for pleasure,

Annick 5:55
we’re strictly economic and need driven, right, there’s a lot of people out there, you know, that like, this is the way that this is a way I can make money and, and improve my circumstances. That’s

Big Twins 6:05
kind of how I got into it, because I was like, I need to make another income. And that’s kind of how I dove in it. For me, I watched a bunch of rappers putting out weed right. And the way they do it, they kind of like I put the weed out and they just get a paycheck like once a month from the company that’s cultivating. So for me I kind of wanted to be more hands on and you know, really get out there and put the boots on the ground go to the farm is find a dope farm is find a dope distro and stuff like that. So I kind of wanted to do it like my brother did it. You know, I’m saying really build a brand from the ground up. A lot of people don’t do that. The other rappers they kind of just just coming in and just getting a paycheck every month. And some guys are doing everything for them. I actually do everything for my company and from his phones. So yeah.

Pete 6:56
Good, usually important.

Annick 6:59
It’s why he’s killing it. Honestly, like I’ve watched him just grow this business and be sustainable. We know it’s not 2009 slapping a rapper’s name on a bag of weed doesn’t sell weed you guys from Florida. So it kind of still does there. But that also doesn’t do anything.

Big Twins 7:15
Nothing in California, I’ll tell you that. And the dispensaries will tell you that too. Like, we don’t care who’s on it. Let me see the product. Let me show us right. And I’m saying they really put me I like it like that too. Because I don’t like to try to use my status. And I want to show them the real product or packaging and stuff like that.

Nick 7:35
Well listen, let’s be honest, I mean, quality is king, right? So it doesn’t really matter if somebody’s name is on on something, and the product is shit. I don’t care what kind of it could be a car. It could be clothing, it could be anything. I mean, yeah, it’s great that somebody’s names on it. But if the product sucks, it doesn’t really matter. Right? So it’s worse than

Pete 7:55
popping all over the province places you know, you don’t want it

Annick 7:59
it’s worse than that to like it fucks up the name, you can look at it, we can look at a bunch of brands who have launched like high high profile brands who have lunch with fucking garbage in the bag, and they’ve had to dead the whole brand and start from scratch again. Tyson 2.0 is Tyson 2.0 for a reason. Right? It’s worse than bad. Yeah, because the name sometimes gets to that first pie, right? Like, oh, this is rockins we plus our packaging. You know what I mean? Our packaging is super dope. And so yeah, it gets the first five we treat the bag like it’s art, we want it something that people would keep and collect with the bag that we built out for for twins is sick, it’s it’s fucking dope as you have one of those nearby that portrait of you. It’s fucking I’ll send you guys a think of it, maybe you can pop it up on screen, digital magics. But, um, and it’s like a meaningful piece of art. And it’s cool. And it’s we want people to keep that we want them to know if we have to put shit in disposable garbage, you know, that becomes things that people throw away, like, hopefully they keep it for another use for something else or whatever, you know, but but a quality has got to be there. And that’s where he he and I have always seen eye to eye.

Nick 9:08
And that’s honestly why one of the reasons why you guys are well as the passion of the culture of the plant, the culture, the the the everything that we do in cannabis. And that’s what we want to bring on. We want to bring on real we don’t push agendas. We’re not here to like, you know, it’s just because of somebody who is who they are. We want to talk about what’s really important and what’s going on. And so the people and the listeners really understand the backstory or okay for example, let’s talk about something you pulled out. A nice little bag right before the show. And we were talking about so I can vote on California

Annick 9:45
we are legally allowed to yeah

Nick 9:52
not as well. But the new flavor.

Big Twins 9:55
Is it a new flavor is it’s yeah,

Annick 9:57
it’s gelato.

Big Twins 10:00
This is strawberry Gary Payton, this is ice is red pop, and Gary Payton mixes a new strain on the market. Nobody really has it. I’m like one of the first.

Pete 10:11
We got none of that data

Nick 10:12
here, that’s for sure. All right. So now let’s talk about this though. Okay, now we just talked. Okay, what are these names mean? What’s all this stuff? Okay, great. Now let’s talk about what the difference between sativa and indica? And why that might just be ridiculous that people even refer to that anymore. So could you Yeah.

Annick 10:37
He’s like soap boxes that I lose my shit over all the time. And I feel the need to like, it’s one of two. One is why are there more terpenes? It’s actually they’re linked to each other. Why are there more terpenes and Sungrown outdoor mix light all that then there is an indoor. And why is that better? And sativa and indica, like those names,

Nick 10:56
we will do both.

Annick 10:59
Those two, those two names come from a history of where these plants come from. Right. There’s two general environments that plants come from typically high altitude and colder environments, and shorter photo periods right shorter seasons, shorter summer growing season, and the other one is equatorial, hot, humid, usually humid, but hot, hot, hot, hot and equatorial means long, long photo periods. And so the photo period is the amount is like the the just like a human we have photo periods we want to go to bed at night, we want to get up in the morning we have a certain time clock. These plants are driven by their photo period because they die once a year. So originally indica sativa is a great disruption. But like, especially for the last really 20 years, extra extra for the last 10 years. We’re like pollen chuck in everything. And it’s mother and everybody’s mixed up and their aunties like clean lines are from land races. So those broadleaf into cars and narrow leaves. sativa has come from adaptations to that environment. And, but like those things don’t, you can have sister plants from the same parents, one of them has big wide leaves one of us getting these, one of them starts flowering in like the second week of July, one of them starts flowering and like those second week of August, right, that’s like the extremes on either end, but they came from the parents line. So from a consumer experience, what you guys are like what folks are grasping for is the word to describe like the kind of different qualitative highs, but that’s from terpenes. That’s not from the fact that this plant has a big fat leaf and this plant has skinny leaves. And this plant flowers sooner and this plant can wants a really long ass in essence. And so because of that you’re grasping at terpene profiles, which aren’t always tied to physical adaptations to environmental pressures. So those terpenes have have that most impact, not the leaf size, not the lineage not all those physical adaptations. And those terpenes are the plants response to environmental pressures. A lemon doesn’t smell like lemons because it wants to attract you. And because it wants to be lemony lemon smells like lemons, because it has terpenes in it that the plant uses to repel pests. And it deals with like fungal pressures and its environmental pressures, right? limonene is like super strong antifungal for the plant. It’s its own defense mechanisms. And just like that plants don’t produce terpenes just for the heck of it, they do it in response to environmental pressures is why outdoor has the most terpene constituents of all flowers straight up outdoor, then light depth is second, then third is mixed like an indoor cannabis has the lowest terpene content of all cannabis that you can smoke. And that’s because if it’s not stressed, it’s not normal. So that’s my soapbox.

Nick 13:55
No, this is hugely important, because this is a huge misconception. Um, so you know

Big Twins 14:05
sativa you know that right? The east coast sativa was number one on the East Coast. That’s when they had that we call sour that was the

Annick 14:14
terpene profile, not tied to plant shape and that indica anymore, we just really it’s just not accurate

Pete 14:24
because that was an 80s term.

Nick 14:26
Right so what we’re just saying to the lame, you know listener is what we’re just saying is sativa indica, right. So indica in the couch, a little bit more tired, you know, like this is what they used to say where sativa is more like cracky up alert give you more energy. This is what was how they would divide the plants out

Annick 14:49
right. But indica sativa is more a reflection of a physical trait, like the way the leafs grow than it is the terpenes it used to be very tied to terpenes So the other thing is you’re talking about minor cannabinoids, like plants that flower faster tend to develop like the THC tends to start to Cineaste. Right. That’s like the Death period of the plant. And that means you get like you get THC starting to convert into CBN. And things that are like sleepier cannabinoids, plants or chemical factories, right? Like we take that stuff and we do it in the lab we replicate in the lab when you’re talking about like hemp derived products where we’re converting major cannabinoid constituents like CBD into like a bunch of other stuff, a THC and, you know, delta H and delta 10, and THC O and T HCP. Those are all so we call that synthetic, but like a plant is bio synthetic, is doing all that chemistry in the plant. It all has purpose. And that’s why it’s possible for us to replicate that outside of the planet. So this is

Nick 15:53
great. This is great. And I just I just don’t think people really understand any of this.

Pete 16:01
Definitely weren’t expecting it.

Nick 16:03
And it’s an it’s Well, no, it’s not that I mean, we know this stuff. But this is because we’re nerds, right? We’re this is what we’re about. But the problem is, is that for the layman, and even at your basic dispensary, and some dispensaries, they definitely don’t go into this, they don’t really understand. They’re looking to, you know, basically push their agenda of what buds they have. And, and that’s it and you really need to know as an educated consumer, and this is why you’re on hempire, while you listen, is why we want you to get educated, right?

Annick 16:33
Dealers wear this shit, because you know, who does actually know some of this stuff, about terpenes. And all this is gun dealers, your dealer needed to care about your needs. Right? Like that was their whole business model. Here you’re out in New York in the street talking the most about terpene profiles and fucking chemistry and stuff like that. There’s dudes in New York who are hustling who now do THC potency tests in their in their living room on their product to provide their consumers with data that the consumer wants?

Nick 17:07
Right? You’re talking about legacy owners, dealers, things that are not in a dispensary? So when we hear all this stuff that well, you know, it’s better at a dispensary or it’s better No, no look, pluses and minuses, right? But what we’re talking about here is is that the people that live breathe in and know the plant from growing it or selling it or using it, or they’re the ones that you want to get the information from? Right? Do you want to talk to the guy that sells the car? Or the one that’s telling you wait this car? Does this guy work in this department, right? This part reliable? Is this what I need to know. And it’s I know we’re trying to dumb it down. But you need to understand that there’s so much more to this amazing plant. And there is a lot of science that goes into it. And there is a big deal when you hear all these crazy names that you’ve probably never heard of, or you think that you know this strain, and you’re like, because you need to know what works for you. The same thing when you’re talking about hemp, right? Or if you’re looking at what you’re trying to address, you know, do you have a medical condition? Are you looking to dress something medicinally that the cannabis plant is going to be used for? Are you looking to have fun? And either one is fine, right? They’re all

Annick 18:25
valid. But yeah, like, that’s why we’re twins and our like our goal. And what we’re trying to like long term work on building is, and that’s what like the whole thing with black marker group. And all that is how do we take the old way, which has the so that when they when they put this legal system together, they said, here’s a whole new way. And this is how we’re going to force the entire market and the selling point will be like clean, safe tested product. Why did you have to invent a whole new system when there’s an existing system that functions beautifully, and we can also have that have cleaned, tested, safe, consistent, reliable product, you know, and put key legacy operators in business, the folks who like know the most about this plant and who care about it?

Nick 19:10
You know, and I think it’s more like that same. Do you want to go to craft brewery? Or do you want to go to someone that is Budweiser, right? Are you going to someone that’s put their blood sweat and tears into something that probably is doing it for close to nothing? Or, I mean, you know, with everything going on right now, we talked about California, we’re gonna talk about California versus New York. We’re going to talk about Colorado, you know, all these different people, different ways of they’ve gotten into the cannabis market or the hemp market and how they’ve done it where a lot of people aren’t extremely happy of how non legacy is running in California. 80% of all sale of all sales of cannabis in California is legacy.

Annick 19:56
That’s correct. 80% of cannabis and and that net reflects across United States 80% of cannabis consumed in the entire United States is coming from the unregulated market, despite the fact that seven out of every 10 Americans live in a state with access to legal, recreational or medical marijuana. Why the fuck is that it’s a wholesale rejection of this system that’s being imposed, because they’re so obsessed with getting 35 or 40% in tax revenue. So they’re getting 35 and 45% of tax revenue on 25 billion, instead of like something reasonable, like 10, or 15, like we see in craft, like wine where I live here or beer instead of 15% of $100 billion. And instead of keeping this incredible workhorse of, there’s probably like three to 400,000 dealers out in the United States right now just like doing their thing somewhere about that, that makes up that marketplace. Those are six figure earners who support the you who support the economy and have no legitimacy. So instead of actually focusing on taking these trained, earning people and taking their money and integrating it into the system, right and having it be net beneficial for somebody to tax dollars and appropriate taxation. They’re pushing those folks out and continuing to like discount them they’re still stay through, you can’t get a dispensary license, if you have a weed felony, what, right what, what are you talking about, or there’s paternalistic programs like New York State and says, We’re gonna build you your own dispensary. And we don’t get to decide where it’s gonna be, you know, and it’s like, it’s, it’s, it’s intense. It’s, you know, it’s paternalistic, and functionally, it’s like tame tinges of racism to me, because it’s like, yeah, let’s find social equity candidates who are criminalized by cannabis. And that’s mostly black and brown, folks, when you talk about places like up and how folks are literally criminalized for the rest of their life for doing something that people, white people, black people, everybody dies, politicians, all of that. Right. Like, it’s all perpetuation of the same system.

Nick 22:05
And no, but yeah, she’s totally, you know, you’re obviously speaking to the choir, but it’s needs to be heard. This is the truth. This is not something that is not talked about enough. And so consumers

Annick 22:24
can do, though, like, that’s who can change this, it can’t we can all talk until we’re blue in the face, because the politicians aren’t listening and tax regulations aren’t going to move. But if consumers start to say it, and consumers start to purchase from companies who are ethical, who are not these massive MSOs, who are you know, support small and midsize businesses, which is middle you know, like a middle class jobs, like decent paying dignity and work jobs, then they can move the dial. We’ve seen them do it with Fairtrade products, we’ve seen it do it with like Made in America, we you guys who have a voice and all y’all who are listening can talk to your friends and talk to everybody about buying your cannabis from somebody who’s been in this industry for a long time, from black and brown people making a point to go to the the teeny, teeny tiny amount of fractionally owned businesses that are minority owned, you know, that are independently owned, that are, you know, husband and wife up in the hills that are second third generation sometimes in Canvas, because those people pay their employees fair. And they’re supporting an entire village on people under New Year,

Nick 23:33
basically saying, I mean, just in general, support small business, let’s be real, right? I mean, you’re you these are the people that are are really the ones that you’re going to want up again, just like in anything, you if you want that quality, if you want somebody that actually cares, that’s not pushing an agenda, go with this type of, you know, industry, industry leaders, and that’s what it should be. But it’s the opposite. Right? So you know, being transient will get you involved a little bit because it’s, you know, quiet, quiet. So, you said that New York has a chance to outsell California in the cannabis game. So I guess

Big Twins 24:12
absolutely doing that now. All right. Well, yeah. I don’t know. Most of the sales like firstly, the revenue that’s coming in from cannabis majority is coming from your like, they’re killing everybody. And then the reason why I know this, because all the big companies out here running to New York, all of them. It’s so weird. It’s so weird, because two years ago, it wasn’t like that. Right now. A lot of the big companies are calling me yo, twin. Let’s do a collaboration. We opened a store in New York and it’s crazy right now. Like I got an ad last week. These big companies that I look up to contact me saying you’re the shit in New York Get the hottest shit in New York and I’m like, okay. Don’t get me wrong, you know? We get things out there. You know, I’m saying So, so I’ve kind of been spreading like

Nick 25:03
but what do you why do you think that is though? Why do you think that it is all transitioning to new work or why New York’s leading leading the way

Big Twins 25:12
they can grow they spend more money that’s what it all boils down to. They spend the guys in the hood one dude abides, we pay by fucking 1000 hours worth of weed every couple of days. So in California, it’s not like that.

Nick 25:27
But I mean, you think it’s also like two different regions, right? I mean, we’re talking about growing we’re talking about all these different things. And anybody can can jump in it doesn’t matter but do you think the quality is equal? Do you think no, you know, that’s what I’m trying to understand that a weed is

Big Twins 25:45
better here that weed is always going to be number one in California I had to realize that I want new weed to be number one in New York now I mean that’s that’s not the facts that because you know probably the humidity just the way the atmosphere you know, just the whole area over there. And over here it’s really just I want to say some wheat in Florida that’s grown that’s

Nick 26:07
that’s okay. The thing is, is that we don’t I don’t know what we’re up to that. I don’t think Florida is definitely not I mean, I’m a big fan of Colorado so that’s my like

Annick 26:17
crunchy weed you like that you go

Nick 26:22
like I like why like I like how the industry in itself

Annick 26:28
is a good industry but it’s dry weed

Nick 26:31
bro you know, I’m talking about like well I’m also talking from my head part of shit right so so you know we got we remember that that my sides more hemp so

Annick 26:42

Pete 26:43
run care about flowers,

Annick 26:44
Oregon, where it’s at Southern Oregon is the spot.

Nick 26:48
Oregon’s great two

Annick 26:51
times the acreage we get four times the yields per acre in Southern Oregon, we can pull 8000 pounds of biomass off an acre in Oregon like

Big Twins 26:59
whoa again, though, I realized every time I got some wheat from Oregon one week, it should ground and get dry faster.

Annick 27:06
It’s moisture up there but

Big Twins 27:09
it’s a little weird that we I was like,

Annick 27:12
because the climates a little moisture in in Southern Oregon, you got the peaks are higher here like in NorCal. Like the best way that you’re buying for the most part comes from above 1600 feet and elevation, like between 16 122 under feet because there’s a coastal like a marine fog layer out here in NorCal. We’re like the best of it grows. So it’s a lot of it is the high ridge line properties and they’re dry but they also cool off at night which is really important for cannabis. But they’re dry and they’re hotter during the day. And in Southern Oregon. It doesn’t get quite as hot. It rains more frequently. Not much more frequently, but it does rain more frequently to get darker weed. Yeah. framework because

Big Twins 27:53
the question is, is it possible that they can mimic the weed here and in Florida or New York that’s the that’s Yes.

Annick 28:00
With a Dutch greenhouse and the build out is like one to $3 million an acre so what I can do under PVC and plastic they already are acre of PVC and plastic depth for $50,000 I did it for him stuff we were dumping hemp back in 2019 Even because I was like doing all sorts of crazy stuff. So I can do it for 450 $1,000 like inside of an acre of death yeah there’s more labor associated with it for sure. And then like a Dutch greenhouse but like three $3 million an acre and difference with the cooling and humidity management Florida’s a nightmare

Nick 28:38
especially with the the cost of what we’re getting per pound right now and that there’s some other factors as well how so many the cost that right now that you were able to get per pound versus I mean there’s there’s farms going under constantly because they just can’t make ends meet?

Annick 28:53
I mean, how does a nightmare of space too anyway and people stopped spraying hemp flour with THC, which sorry if you guys not not ridiculous, any huge driving force in our industry for a long time. You know, cheap enough on this in the market,

Nick 29:11
I was terrible. It’s disgraceful. I go to events and they’re like, Oh, we got all this you know, it’s always hemp sprayed with this and haven’t sprayed with that either. It’s Delta eight. Now it’s Delta nine. It’s God knows what else. Anyway, we just want to show why

Annick 29:29
we do it. We fully have a delta nine dummy line. You know what he made for because it gives access to clean, affordable canvas and states where there’s no legal recreational or medical, right, like our ships tested to California standards. So like let’s just put out a fire S line. And it can be bought at convenience stores, cans out of the bag, bros.

Nick 29:54
Well, going back to and now we’re going back to New York. We’re going back to California. Do you think that new Work state has taken the lead in supporting social equity and their recreational rollout. I mean, do you think New York has has added? I mean, obviously. I can say yes.

Big Twins 30:15
I can say Yeah, especially with the, like, you know, the pizza pusher, I don’t know. But I know that guys. Yeah. Kelly got like five restaurants and they serve and fuse hold, and the shit is lit. You can’t do them alone very,

Annick 30:29
like explicitly. Mayor Adams is saying we’re not we’re not gonna mess with businesses that are not being out of pocket, you know, like, like, act as if, and we’re gonna leave you alone until we start issuing licenses.

Big Twins 30:42
Yes, right. Everybody else and we need to get more money, California for you to do something like that you need to you got to get a license out as opposed to a bunch of money just because they have one. They have one out here. And they was like the first one that was testing it out, I said was closed in a couple of weeks. And then I don’t know, man, I’m a little upset about that. Because I would love to open up like a restaurant or lounge that sort of finger food and stuff. See for Jigna if we go to Virginia, they they actually allowing weed bars, so you can have a wee ball with finger food and Virginia. So um, for me, I might open one of those trip or so

Annick 31:22
the culture is that it goes the culture of cannabis is so strong is that it has pushed itself out of illegal statuses into the broad daylight. And it’s so widely supported by the people who live in an area cities can’t do anything about it. That’s what you see in DC and New York right now, which is you’re gonna waste your time with this. With this, you’re gonna waste your time with this thing that’s widely supported and the cops won’t. Because it’s not it’s like in the because the citizens aren’t supporting it. So they didn’t even have to take as a bow. They just took it to the culture. Right? Like that’s,

Nick 31:56
that could be smoking. But no. Let’s be real, right? No, I think again, this really goes back to we can’t pin it on anyone, right? Like, everybody supports it. You can’t write it in a closet now and say, Oh, well, these are these types of people, and you don’t want to be associated with them. And that does not just mean race. I mean, that is socio economic. That can be anything, right. I mean, we always go to race, but it’s not about that. It’s I think it’s more speaks to how everybody loves cannabis. Like, it’s just, you know, I mean, like, it’s it’s and then honestly, there’s not another product like that. In the United States. I mean, there’s or in the world that

Annick 32:47
doesn’t have some vilifying aspect, right, like Yeah,

Nick 32:52
but it did have that I mean, I remember

Annick 32:55
the real one like actually, like, yeah, for me.

Nick 33:02
They tried to do that is what I should have said for me. I looked at it make it like that.

Big Twins 33:08
Okay, I’m sorry for me. I looked at Thailand, like Thailand is one of the dopest ones out come on out of Thailand. They went legal, recreational and then they said you know what, we’re gonna release 2000 people out of jail when I was arrested for weed and then they actually you’re gonna have edibles everybody’s making edibles and Thailand right now.

Nick 33:30
You get it out of

Big Twins 33:33
it making everything edible. So for me, they did it the right way when they went legal better than anybody that’s what I feel when I believe when I’m talking to people in Thailand cuz my lady’s Thai and you know, we talked to a lot of people over there and they’re doing it better than everyone that’s what I believe. That’s

Annick 33:50
because they just kind of opened it up cowboy style hurdle Oklahoma. Oklahoma just went back okay. I don’t care.

Nick 34:03
Have you ever read their license plate? Have you ever it’s Oklahoma is okay. Like you know what I mean? Like it’s

Pete 34:15
figured all that weed out there they get a little more creative. License.

Annick 34:21
Futures On Oklahoma is the cheapest power in the country right like it’s literally the cheapest commercial power rates in the country. Cannabis 10 years from now looks like Southern Oregon Northern California growing the vast majority of it. Secondary is arid, desert type climates, which is like the second best place for like all Central Oregon all the way down to like that desert weed and SoCal people are going outside the LA area. That’s the secondary markets looks a lot like grapes, Southern Oregon up GM hill or they understand the crews best grapes best dog, maybe not the highest yields per acre. That’s dollar value per acre production. then secondarily, Santa Barbara desert places blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then the third place is like human as places where you just make Your work just like grapes. Where do you ever go anywhere to go? Let me get a Long Island white wine. No ton of grapes in Long Island. Yeah, same as your mythical right it’s cold they grow all whites because somebody just wants to can grow grapes and an okayish place for it. Right that’s where all the other weed and then all the indoor production is gonna move to places where renewables like Oklahoma and all their wind turbines. Central Oregon is pretty good too because we run off a lot of damn power places like that that have cheap power and then all of this siloed markets you know because it’s an agricultural product you’ve seen it go down and him we’ve seen it moved to optimize regions hemp grows and field acre grows Colorado secondarily deserts and grows great in the desert. It kills it in the high desert your yields it’s the easiest Southern Oregon is a waste of place to grow him because of the amount of touches you may get dumb yields there but the desert like high desert kills it for field growing no pets fresh New York is terrible climates but we aren’t where you want to harm to New York Field grow to have

Nick 36:13
been but but bringing it back. You are saying it though in Yes, it does cost a lot of money. But anywhere it could be made to grow the best right? If it was indoor, if it was in a way where we could control a lot of the climate or you know everything else that goes into it. Right so so my point is, is it can be made to work anywhere and honestly for lower cost of energy. They’ll make it work in Oklahoma Right? Like they’re going to

Annick 36:44
fire it’s not possible to wire it still impacts your Oklahoma does have gone for it it doesn’t get stupid humid in the summer. It’s not like a lot of other places still relatively arid all that wind movement around there. I was like when I first when I first when Lagos like I’m gonna go japin Oklahoma and then I went out there and like, my face blew off my head. You know, just standing in front of the hook down and you’re like, oh, fuck not. Nope, not girl we know it’s windy there

Nick 37:19
you know, it’s funny the first time I went to Chicago actually, it was the coldest I’ve ever. I like oh, and a New York is cold and I’m from Pennsylvania. Originally. When I went to Chicago. I was like, this is a cold like I’ve never have felt it just bone chilling. So I can understand your face get my pain.

Annick 37:37
Yeah. Fucking pain. You’re like how did you get in there? I’m wearing at layers right now, bro. New to my nipple, right do

Big Twins 37:51
I like I’ll miss New York. I’ll tell you that. I’ll miss that coat.

Nick 37:55
Oh, he lives in. Now that we’re in now that we live in Florida, though, we will go back up north where like, I mean, I don’t know how we did it. We used to run around with like, T shirts and short like, deal. And now I’m like I can’t even Yeah, I can’t I

Pete 38:13
can still like the change. Still too hot down here. No matter what.

Annick 38:18
So hot. I was down there for like just sale pavement all day. dying, dying. And then I got home here and it was like 95 but it’s dry here. And I was like, oh my god, I love it. I love it.

Nick 38:35
And we talked about it rolling loud was a was a great. I mean they put together a really good venue and everything. Again, I obviously can’t control the weather. But I do like, you know like we were saying Miami’s a little ratty for for a lot of different things. You know, we got Ultra, we got all the EDM, we got all these crazy, crazy, you know festivals and things that we able to put down down here. You know, we’re a little bit north between Fort Lauderdale and West Palm for where we’re shooting right now. But um, you know, we head down in Miami all the time. And they know I’m in Delray just yeah, my grandmother and her friend. Yeah, that’s that’s

Pete 39:17
where our clientele is.

Annick 39:20
Oh my god. My grandmother loves da blows. Dini loves it loves it loves it. He loves THC edibles. She likes live resin are live rosin cartridges and she has 225 milligram VA gummies every single night.

Nick 39:39
But I can’t believe you’re right. Yes, it sounds like she definitely needs some pureed the know you’ll listen to,

Annick 39:46
I’ll give you if Judy Goldsmith likes it then you’re in the clear and I will endorse your product.

Pete 39:53
That’s another stamp you can add to the rest of them.

Nick 39:56
Exactly. I mean, look at the end of the day and so is why I loved what you were saying from the beginning, the middle and the end of all this conversation, it really comes down to quality people, you know, know what you’re buying, know why you’re buying it know who you’re buying it from, and and make them watch your mind. Right and what you’re buying, right? And who you want to support and what you want to support. You know, I mean, I’m not trying to say like, it should be divided like we are right now and everything that’s going on in the government, everything, but let’s be real, I mean, you want to buy it from somebody that knows quality and is trying to bring you the best product for whatever cost that is, but just trying to bring you out the right, the right quality, but just doing it the right way? Or does it really not matter to you, you know, are you but if you’re looking for something that’s specific to either a medical condition, or how you want to feel, or how you want it to smoke, right? Or how you want it to look, these are the things you guys have to get educated on out there. And this is why we’re going to continue to do this, continue to talk to the people that are really going to bring it be real, right. I mean, this was this was probably one of the realest interviews, right? And a long time with a lot of science behind. And that’s what I wanted. That’s what I was hoping to get out of you guys and and we definitely got it and so again, you want us to make this show any better ask us any other questions, obviously, where can we where can we follow you guys? So I mean, well, tell us a little bit about where these listeners can check you guys out.

Big Twins 41:33
on IG IG infamous phones or big twins you go to big twins. I

Nick 41:42
just I literally go check it out right now. I just followed

Annick 41:46
me the other day. Fin f m s farms. And then big twins QB right. I think it was gonna be a big one. Yeah. And we’re at Black Market certified.

Nick 42:03
Bang. Nice. Nice. Obviously, you can always follow us at pure well.com Well, tell us a little bit more on where else they can find us and take us out.

Pete 42:16
Oh, well you can find us on anywhere. You guys like to listen to your podcasts. You know I heart Spotify, Amazon and flagship cannabis radio. So we appreciate the time that you guys have given us today. Love to do it again some time and everybody else when they’re out there when you’re looking for your weed. Make sure you’re getting it from the smart, educated source, black market

Big Twins 42:35
certified and infamous funds

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