Pete 0:00

Excellent and welcome to another episode of hempire. I’m Pete Bahrenburg with pure well, and here again with my co host and trusty sidekick, Nick DeFrancesco. Nick, how you doing today?

Nick 0:11
I’m doing good. I’m doing really

Pete 0:14
good because we got a special treat today. Well,

Nick 0:16
I want to hear what our special treat is. Well, he

Pete 0:18
happens to be a former professional soccer player for one nice, not only just the winner of Survivor, but he’s a survivor and a winner at surviving cancer.

Nick 0:29
Wow, that’s talking about Cinzano

Pete 0:31
ease. And how’s it going today?

Ethan 0:33
It is going great. How are you guys doing?

Nick 0:36
We’re good. We’re good. We had some technical issues, but we’re getting through them. Absolutely. You know, I’m excited because of course, big survivor fan. I guess I heard that you’re competing in the 127 Boston Marathon. This is 10 year anniversary of being cancer free. So congratulations. I mean, that’s obviously an amazing accomplishment. Absolutely. I know you’ve gone through a lot to get to this point. And you know, we’ll dig into that, of course, but just being a fan, of course of you no survivor and everything else. But it was something that you said recently that really made me want you on the show. And something that you said that you’re I know you’re your dad ran the Boston Marathon. And that was amazing, very close family connections with me as well. But you said that cannabis and CBD became a huge part of my wellness journey and healing from cancer. And it’s still an integral part of my daily wellness routine today. And I really wanted to talk to you about that. I wanted to know how you got into cannabis. I know it was, I think after the first time you had beat cancer that you had got into cannabis. So tell me a little bit about that was that doctors that brought that up to you? Or, you know, how, how did that work?

Ethan 1:57
Sure. You know, growing up as a soccer player, cannabis was never part of my daily routine, if you will. So I never talked to staff, I thought it was bad. I mean, I tried to second semester my senior year, don’t tell my mom, of course. Just to do something crazy before I graduated, right. But I went on to play professional, didn’t really touch the stuff. And then obviously I knew of cannabis and I had read about the benefits that it can serve people who are going through cancer or other illnesses. So when I was diagnosed at age 35, I was prescribed a lot of prescription pills. And at this is 2009. The world is going crazy with the opioid epidemic. And I just had a little bit of a fear of kind of, you know, what could happen if I got hooked on these synthetic pills, like I was literally taking five, six pills to get to bed at night. I was ripping Adderall in the morning just to go to the doctor. So I was looking for an alternative way to kind of mitigate some of the cancer treatments that I was going through. And cannabis was a natural area to look. However, like no one at Sloan Kettering would prescribe it to me, there’s no train doctors or colleges to tell me about it. I was on the streets of New York City talking to a drug dealer who sold all the drugs, you know, not just cannabis and I was bald with chemo mask loves doing something illegal rd on top of something horrible like cancer, right? So it just really wasn’t a pleasurable experience. And so it was at that moment I decided like, Okay, I really want to, you know, try to share my story try to educate others erase some of the stigma around using cannabis from a medical perspective. And it worked pretty well. It was fine. It was good. I could get off some of the prescription pills. Not all of them. It didn’t cure my cancer. But as a cancer patient. It’s really uncontrollable feeling. You know, when a doctor tells you to do something, or you’ll die, you pretty much do it. There’s no choice there. However, when you’re home, by yourself with bags will appeals and like no doctors or nurses, family friends around like it’s a really scary isolating feely so I was looking for some ways to get control back of my own self like body, my mind my spirit. And so I leaned into cannabis, I leaned into CBD, and it really just helped me get to a more balanced place in my life.

Nick 4:20
Again, I was playing sports. When I was young, I had to worry about stigmas of marijuana, like we talked about cannabis treatments. Parents, like you mentioned, drug testing. And of course, it was the same for me. I had that same issue where I didn’t know if I wanted to get into I knew I had pain from sports. I know I had all these different things, but I wasn’t something that I was comfortable taking because of more of what the stigma was at the time. And I know that it’s changed my life and of course it’s changed yours. Education would you say is the most important is it you think that stick My is the issue.

Ethan 5:02
Yeah. And like you I always kept them separate. I had a cannabis over here I had athletics over there Never did I think they could come together, especially as a an athlete, because of the stigma. You know, growing up in high school college, the people that smoke pot didn’t play sports. And so for me, I feel that like sharing my story as like an average everyday guy, he’s athletic, he wants to be healthy, live a happy, fulfilled life, I think by sharing my story and being an example for those who might have the same feelings and want almost like a free pass or a green light to say this is okay. You know, my goal here is like little mini incremental shifts in perception. Right. And so for, for me to partner with like to leave and momenta and run the Boston Marathon while meditating on momenta products is just an example that you can do something in on a large scale or small scale using cannabis to enhance your life. And whether it’s whether if you want it to give you a little energy to go lift weights, or if you’re like, socially awkward, and you need to use cannabis to be able to talk with people, or you have sleep issues or mood issues. I think there’s so many areas that cannabis can help anyone improve their life in a positive way. So I guess when it comes to sports, I guess it would be a little bit more of the stigma if any of my friends knew I was like smoking weed and playing sports. You know, it just might be like you’re not taking it seriously enough. You know, you’re not your your soccer player, you’re not as a smoker, you should be focusing on fitness and health and nutrition and sleep and all that stuff. Whereas this just seems like it’s out of the ordinary. Meanwhile, the marathons I ran before this and playing soccer, I was crushing, like 600 milligrams of Advil, you know, every like seven to eight miles, I was taking like a three times caffeine energy jail, you know, I was doing all this stuff to give me energy to get through the race. Yet, I got the same benefits from using a dosage of gummy cannabis that I was using during the race that kind of helped all those things. It helped them internally, mentally after the race, inflammation, rest, recovery, all that stuff. So I think you know that obviously cannabis is can be a huge help in athletics.

Nick 7:28
And it’s kind of funny what you’re saying about? Am I going to be a stoner? Or am I going to be an athlete? And the truth is, is that you know, everybody that we’re talking to, and just knowing about what my personal experiences are, sometimes it actually helps you see the game a little bit better. Sometimes, now you’re running, right? So you have to be in that mindset. You have to look, it’s grueling, it’s, it’s a grueling pace. You have to stay consistent. You have breathing, you have fatigue you have, but sometimes when you can take yourself way mentally, to a place, it gives you that extra. I don’t know that extra push to just keep going you get into that runner’s high, you get into that zone, and you’re off to the races. And now, let’s go back to when you were, you know, a professional soccer player or in survivor, not having cannabis. Okay, what’s the mindset? What’s the motivation from then to it is now, you know, I mean, it’s nothing pushing you like you’re, I mean, you’re not 20 anymore right now?

Ethan 8:33
No, definitely not 20 anymore. And you saw that on the most recent season of Survivor. I didn’t do so. Well. I don’t know what it was. I didn’t have cannabis. Maybe that’s why it’s funny story. Because, you know, when I was able to do survival survivor, you know, you go through all the medical and you doing that out in Los Angeles, California, where cannabis is recreational, medically legal. I have my cannabis card. I use it every day. It’s part of my medicine and survivor, you’re allowed to take out your prescription medicines with you. So like, hey, hey, CBS. Can I take cannabis out there? And they’re like, no one’s ever ever asked us that before. And I’m like, Well, let me know. It’s great. So they actually ran it up the ladder and unfortunately, they said no, because it’s illegal in Fiji, both CBD and cannabis. So you can’t take it there. So to be honest, I was a little bit nervous, but I weaned myself off of cannabis before I went out there to play the game. However, when I was playing the game, I definitely wish I had because survivors is a very stressful environment you’re away from your friends and your family. There’s no food there’s no water you’re tired, you’re hungry, you’re thirsty you’re freezing cold and it was a very stressful situation already on top of I’m like a pretty anxious and you know guy in general so like to layer all these things that topic to each other for be out there it was, it was it was a battle within my own brain. You know, I might look okay on the outside but inside is like more the world’s going on.

Pete 10:00
Besides looking for fish, but you’re probably looking for a little plant here,

Nick 10:05
maybe wondering, something’s growing here that I can find.

Ethan 10:09
Like if you know, stereotypically speaking, you know, cannabis can cause the munchies. But out there, there’s no food. So it’s like eating your own foot. It’s up for you know.

Nick 10:19
So what do you think about the new survivor? How they went to the back to back? They shorten the season? I mean, what are your thoughts on that, because they’ve really changed a lot of the game

Ethan 10:30
changed a lot of the game. And, you know, I am an old school SURVIVOR GUY, however, I enjoy the old school game. But this is really exciting. And I wouldn’t say it’s better or worse, I would just say it’s different. You know, I feel this style of game where it’s 26 days, there’s a lot of ways to use the clues and idols and advantages and disadvantages, obviously, to get ahead in the game. So I feel an average player or a below average player has the opportunity to do well in a game like this, because of all these extra ways to get ahead. I mean, if you look at these past few seasons, a couple of players made it to the end without any one challenge without really voting anyone off. And it’s just it’s just a different, different, higher, fast paced, it’s more strategy, less survival.

Nick 11:24
Yes. I mean, you’re talking about a beast mode of a guy in the last survivor who just lights out. I mean, just I mean, come on. And you saw what happened.

Ethan 11:38
anyone do that? Well, at challenges like this guy, Jonathan.

Nick 11:42
Yeah, I mean, Jonathan killed it. And I just remember going back and then winning the fire challenge when he was like, I forget who was on the show at the time. But they he said, No, I’m going to do the fire challenge, I’m going to go on, and I’m going to take it upon myself. And I’m going to eliminate who I need to eliminate the balls that it took for that. But I was curious, because now you talk about NFL football where the season is longer. This is shorter and more compact, but it gives opportunities for players that want the trick, quote, unquote, survivor, athletes, to more their strategic and social game players.

Ethan 12:24
For example, you know, a normal game of Survivor last 39 days, this game is 26 days, 13 extra days on survivor is for ever, every day feels like seven days, you know, we always said the days are long, the nights are longer, you know, the sun goes, like 5pm, it doesn’t come up till like, you know, 6am and you just have all those all that time in your head. So multiply that by 39 days, it’s, it’s pretty stressful. So again, I was on the edge of extinction for 25 days in this game, the winner won in 26 days. So just perspective, right? So that’s why I was saying

Nick 13:03
if you’re like, if you’re like I did it the long way. I was the I was the long survivor. That’s what I earn this. I’m the OG

Ethan 13:15
Yeah, and it’s tough to play that you can’t play the long game and the shorter, I think for the viewers, it doesn’t really matter. Because it you still get 13 episodes, you know, you don’t know whether it’s one day, two days, three days, between votes or whatnot. But as a player, the daunting task of overcoming all your challenges, and going the full distance of 39 days is a lot more of a challenge than a 26 day game.

Nick 13:44
So getting back to that, so talking about you know, the high endurance that you’re needed for these types of sports, or do you think that the cannabis gives you that little extra? Like you said you weren’t to take cannabis, you wish you had it? Do you really think that would have helped you through the pain? A little bit more of that suffering? Yeah, I

Ethan 14:04
think I think it would have helped me for a lot of the physical things sleep. First of all, you’re sleeping in the dirt or on horrible bamboo slats, and it’s freezing cold. So I think it would have put me into a state there. I don’t think I to be clear, like, I don’t know if I would have used it out there because you want to just be really clear headed. And sometimes, you know, cannabis can cause you to think differently. You know, when I was experimenting on myself leading up to the marathon, you know, I had to figure out my dosages. Like how much is too much. Is this too little? Do I want to try a vape? Do I want to do an edible? Is it a tincture? Is it you know, so I was testing all these momento products out on myself, which was fun, right? And I did find sup for me personally, sometimes when I took a little bit too much and I was going longer distances, it only had a little bit of a negative impact on my performance in the sense that time was on a lot longer, you know, oh my god, I only been running 10 minutes and I got another two hours that doesn’t take forever. You know, I felt like I lost a little bit of focus when I had too much cannabis. And I was going long distances. So that’s something I learned about myself. So now I totally dialed into the dosages I need to go exercise when I need to take it at what point during my exercise routine, whether that’s running or lifting weights, or other ones, I haven’t really done too much of a coordination sport using cannabis. Like I haven’t gone out there and played, you know, soccer or tennis or something that takes too much skill. I guess you could say I can run straight. But I’m excited to maybe test that out in the future.

Nick 15:39
Yeah, no, it’s just because you know, people talk about just the anxiety. Well, everybody that we have come on, always talks about the dosing, trying to find their dose, what works for them, what doesn’t work for them. And that’s for an athlete, that’s for a common person, right? You mentioned sleep, that’s something that we do we concentrate here at pure well a lot on sleep products and things like that. But you know, there was a there was a book that was written called the runner’s high. And they were talking about how they were using cannabis to stimulate appetite. They were talking about keeping them in the, in the zone, like we were talking about calming their nerves, with 1000s of people watching them. I mean, these are the types of things. And I always said, a little more dialed in. If you’re dialed in, if you know your specific dose, or you know what works for you, it could really be something that could help. When you were in the hospital, you said I saw these people running on Fifth Avenue. And I needed to get out there. I knew that if I get out here, and I survived, I wanted to go out. I wanted to run and I wasn’t going to look back. Yeah.

Pete 16:47
Well, I mean, we have seen the state of fifth if you don’t know what they’re

Ethan 16:55
running for me know.

Nick 16:59
Yeah, it is. It’s a mindset. And I, you know, being in the medical field for so long dealing with with patients that talk about, you know, they could be in a hospital bed, all right, and they could be they could have the same ailment. I have the person that I would talk to all the time that had that positive mindset. I had that person in the other bed that had, maybe I’ll get better. Maybe you know what happened every time you had that mindset, that person got out of that bed, they survived, they made something of their life, and they were able to overcome the adversity, or the health issue. I’ve seen it time and time again, in the medical field. And that’s why I love your story. I love what you stand for. And it’s true if more people had that mindset, no matter what happened in their life, to keep going keep pushing, being a survivor. And if that’s with cannabis, or without cannabis, but just that mindset, and like you said, getting out there and physical, being physical and staying active, but your mind staying active, right?

Ethan 18:04
Yes, that’s important. You know, I learned, you know, growing up as an athlete, you know, I was always a better soccer player after a visualization, training or some massage therapy, or yoga. And so for me, I brought that into the whole cancer journey with myself. And that’s why I do feel it’s important to maintain some form of fitness, mental, physical and spiritual fitness pre during and post illness, you know, for anyone, you know, if you’re capable of doing it. And so for me, like, I always judge my kind of health and wellness based on my physical fitness ability, which I’m not seeing as a good thing. That’s just kind of how like, I can run a mile in seven minutes, I’m doing good. If I get stuck in me, then I need to get in shape, you know. So that’s kind of my, my barometer for myself. And so I was just naturally exercising through cancer, because that’s just kind of what made me feel healthy, it gets back to the control thing, I want to control my own body. And I need to do that by through running. And so I feel it’s this in, you’ve mentioned the mindset, and it is important to have a positive mindset. But I do think it’s important to note that it’s okay to have bad days, too. You know, there’s no scientific data anywhere in the world that that proves a cancer patient with a positive attitude survives more than a cancer patient that doesn’t have a positive event 100% It helps as a kind of strategy to get through some dark moments. However, if you are having a bad day and you’re crying, you’re throwing up and you hate everyone around you, which happened to be a lot. You don’t have to feel bad about that, you know, accept it. And once you accept it, you know, move on to the next phase of the process is like how do you want to map out? How are you going to live today to get through those dark roads?

Nick 19:51
So do you do you feel that cannabis had helped you with a lot of those side effects through cancer?

Ethan 19:57
Definitely 100% You know, just to give it example I was taking Ativan for anxiety Wellbutrin for mood disorder. I was taking Percocet for pain, Ambien for sleep, some other like vitamin type situations, and then in the morning, I was taking an Adderall just to get enough energy to go to the doctor to get blood tests. So this was like a 678 pills six cycle of synthetics that I had to do every single day, just to get bed and wake up. That’s not okay to me. And so when I was using cannabis, get off some of these pills or minimize the amount I was using and that alone, I felt a lot better. And then just obviously, the stress and anxiety of relapsing, the fear that the cancer is coming back, being able to kind of nullify that with the use of more more of the cannabis THC side of it than the CBD side. But I’m a big ratio guy. So I’m a one to one type situation when things are getting a little bit scary in my brain.

Nick 20:55
And what would you say that you pretty much got all I mean, you mentioned what, six, six or seven different I mean, yeah, there was a lot right. How many of these prescription medications of what you mentioned, how many did were you able to get off of replacing it with cannabis?

Ethan 21:14
I would, I would definitely got off the when I got off the antidepressants right away. I got off the Ambien. Celeste Celesta right away. I pain sometimes the pain was really bad. So I had to keep taking the Percocet. So I’d say I got off probably about four of them. And then I minimize the use of the rest of them. So it wasn’t taking as much as many times per day,

Pete 21:40
though I’m terrible. Yeah, the fact that they even think that prescribing all of that, as a cocktail is healthy for anybody who’s particularly an athlete is just insanity. And that’s the problem. And they have to they have to start getting away from that and start really pushing in educating on a natural level level. Because I mean, that’s insane. And all it’s going to do is going to cause more problems down the road because not really healing anything. It’s just pushing around your body hiding and masking so you can somewhat have a better quality of life, so to speak.

Nick 22:09
You know, research stated that cannabis could be a promising alternative to current standard opiate pain relief offered to cancer patients, which can cause addiction and other negative side effects. Medicinal Cannabis use also has side effects ranging from nausea weakness to psychosis. However, as the paper says the adverse effects from cannabinoids for cancer treatment are generally tolerated well by the patients and categorized as mild to moderate. Let’s talk about that, because we always talked about the positives. Do you think there’s any negatives with using cannabis during, you know, what this paper was stating? Well,

Ethan 22:48
I think everything in I mean, if it’s impacting a current situation that you’re going through, I think it’s okay. But obviously, it’s important to keep control of your usage and your dosage. I would say, I kind of forget what the question was.

Nick 23:06
What was question? No, I have you been dosing today? Even I mean,

Ethan 23:15
the grand opening of a brand new Trulieve dispensary in West Virginia. And

Pete 23:22
so it’s a cheat day. So

Nick 23:23
it’s a cheat day, it’s a cheat day. So I was saying, you know, researchers from Israel had stated the cannabis had a promising alternative to cancer patients, but they stated that it could have some side effects. So I was saying to you, have you noticed side effects because we always talk about the positives. And to be fair for listeners that we don’t think that we’re just sliding to one side. Do you feel like there’s some negatives or some side effects that you have gotten from cannabis use?

Ethan 23:54
Yeah, def I definitely do. You know, for me, I started off kind of vaporizing flour. I don’t do that anymore. You know, I am always afraid of just like the more you know, back in the day and the mold and the toxins and if it’s being you know, how it’s being grown and how it’s being processed. So like, if I’m going to put something in body I want to know exactly where it’s coming from and all that fancy stuff. That’s why I’m obviously a huge fan of legally legalized cannabis. Because it’s all you know, tested properly. So that’s important to me. But yeah, you know, if I use too much ice there, you know, sometimes the mornings I’m a little bit groggy. I’m afraid to smoke it just from for lung issues. I think anytime you smoke anything, it’s not good for you. You know, vaporizing could be a little bit better, but yeah, there are definitely some you know, negative side effects you know, interactions with other medicines you might want to you know, figure out you know, doubling up on antidepressants and some THC cannabis use. For younger people. Listen, the teenage brain isn’t fully formed until age 2122. So, you know, these new cannabis forms of cannabis these like dabs in the Shatter in the bud. under that is like a direct injection of pure THC to an adolescent brain. I’m not a fan of, you know, I feel cannabis and the industry itself has a role to play to make sure kids don’t misuse cannabis and misuse drugs in general. So I think that’s an important things to consider. Because obviously, it’s going to be probably medically legalized, you know, nationwide, you know, the next 510 years, you got lots of high school, college athletes, NCAA canal, you know, name and likeness getting monetized, like, what’s going to be happening with cannabis and those things, professional sports, so I think there needs to be a lot more research to figure out really what’s going on. I’m excited about that area of exploration within the industry. You know, NFL is doing some big study on CBD and pain and like brain regenerations of all this stuff is moving forward. And I just think just over time, we’re gonna get a little bit more data on how this is all working, and hopefully mitigate some of these negative things that we’re reading about. So people can have a more educated approach to when they’re going to use cannabis and how they’re going to use it.

Pete 26:03
It always comes back to education. And that’s, that’s the key thing. And without education, it you really are lost out there. So it’s good to know that, you know, the more there’s people out there who can, you know, forward that narrative and kind of weed through the, you know, garbage that is being provided. And given you, you know, a sense of feeling that you’re doing the right thing, or doing it at least a smart way. So, you know, it’s all about the education. And that’s what we try to help promote as well.

Ethan 26:29
How do you feel? I mean, do you feel that the industry as a whole I know, it varies, you know, place to play state to state? Do you think they’re doing a good job of educating the general public on cannabis? Or do you think it’s still like skewing towards recreational for 20? Like stoner culture? Or do you think there’s a good place? And are they doing a good job educating for the medical side of things?

Nick 26:52
I’m so glad he actually asked. I mean, that’s what we are a pure Well, we are a medically focused, custom formulated company. I mean, that’s what we do education, first, doctors, health care providers to legitimize cannabis, on a medical level. So you don’t have to just be high, you could have custom formulations that help you. So yes, we, that’s what we prove. But what I do hear all the time is doctor goes. I don’t know if there’s enough evidence yet. We hear that a lot. Right? We lit a lot, a lot of politics, a lot of a lot a lot of skirting around issues. When we know there’s 1000s of papers with cannabis going on. From everywhere, from Israel to United States all over the world for a very long time. I do believe that education is most important. And yes, we do it one patient at a time or one company or one doctor at a time. But it is starting to catch. But as I’m doing these interviews, as I’m getting these people on here that really have a platform to speak. A lot of deaf ears still a lot of stigma, a lot of politics, a lot of things that people are not willing to accept that cannabis is here to stay. And it does help you one other question, because I don’t know if you know that Ethan was also on The Amazing Race. No, I gotta ask him, because he’s done. Where do you feel like being part well, actually, you love being on reality shows of course. But do you think they’ve come a long way since survivor the first time I’m where they’re the direction they’re kind of going? I mean, there’s a lot of new reality survivor type shows. So their mission, probably too many. Too many reality shows at this point. But um, but what do you think you think it’s made? In a good way talking about survivor, how it’s changed the game, but just all of it? I mean, what’s your opinion on when reality shows? And

Ethan 28:46
yeah, I mean, survivors, the OG of reality shows, right? So I’m happy that for sure. I got my start. And everything after that was, you know, I’m gonna say yes to everything. Why not? I can go like jump off, like helicopter and fear factor. Yeah, good to do it. I can travel around the world and amazing race, of course. So, I think I feel like obviously, reality was like about 20 years old right about now. And what’s funny is they’re starting to do all these revivals, you know, they’re bringing back you know, real world casts from New Orleans and doing like, an update for them, you know, Challenge Challenge All Stars Yeah, that they’re bringing a challenge on to CBS or taking the MTV rewards challenge you’re moving into CBS you know, recycling CBS talent, so there’s amazing race survivor, Big Brother Love Island all competing in a show this summer. So I think it’s, I love it. I feel I’m more inclined to gravitate to watch a show where it actually takes a skill to win you know, like a cooking show a you know, Project Runway. You know, all these like car remake shows. I like those things to go on Amazing Race to go and survive. Ever takes a skill but you leave the show. No better than you were before. Like, if you win, like, you know, the Cake Boss show or whatever it is, you’re like, professional chef, you’re gonna get a job. You open the restaurant, it’s like a path to professional fighter when you’re done, you’re like, okay, like now what you know. So I think it’s, I think it’s incredible how many different categories that reality TV is, hasn’t an entry point into, if there isn’t an industry in the world that hasn’t had a reality TV show around it, including cannabis, I was on the show called kings of Cush, which is the advice. It was about a farm up in Vermont named mon cush. So that was really fun. You know, you guys know it’s hard to market and advertise cannabis CBD on television, but to create a reality TV show around a group of guys who bought a farm. And that was kind of our marketing arm. Because we couldn’t really do it like you want to.

Nick 31:00
As a smart way, I was gonna ask you, do you they say what you can and cannot say on survivor? Or is anything a little scripted? Or is there things that maybe the public would want to know that it’s not 100% survivor?

Ethan 31:16
I hurt my personal belief is I think they do an incredible job of capturing the person like who they got. Because let me put it this way. What you take away food, you take away water, you’re tired, you’re hungry, you’re thirsty, like your true person is going to come out. Unless you’re the best actor actress in the world. You can’t hide from the camera for 39 days, with all that going on, like you. If you can more power to you. I have no idea. It’s like, the people come back like oh my god, I got the worst entity entity looked like a bitch. And like you really are. You just never seen it before. That’s the problem, you know. So if you say it, you’re you should have the self control to say, Don’t say stuff that you don’t want on TV. So if you say it, they’re going to use it. So it’s up to you to be able to that’s one of the best skills to know going on reality TV, keep your mouth shut. If you can keep your sharp mouth shut long enough. Someone else will say it. That’s my advice data will go on on reality TV.

Nick 32:12
Well, congratulations on going to the Boston Marathon. I know you didn’t win, but you you compete it you finished and that’s all it matters. At least that’s what they told me. They but um, is there anything else you’re working on, you know, that you’re doing for cannabis, fording the narrative, you know,

Pete 32:30
educating and educating people,

Ethan 32:32
ya know, my whole thing is doing what I’m doing right now with you guys. So I appreciate you taking the time to chat with me, you know, letting me share my story with you and your audience. Because like I said before, my goal in this whole, you know, system is to, you know, increase the knowledge about cannabis and safe cannabis use these little mini incremental shifts in perception. And just try to get more people to understand the benefits of a plant, like Canada’s nature is the world’s pharmacy. And I’m a big proponent of that. And so I encourage anyone who’s looking to get into cannabis or to start their cannabis journey, you know, go for it, talk to a professional like yourself, learn about it, do a little digging, and, you know, test it out and see how it helps you in your life.

Nick 33:19
That’s words from someone that’s been through a lot, and is continuing to work so hard, you know, personally, and for everybody else. And, and that’s what we do here at hempire. And that’s why it’s important. Please like, subscribe, comment, tell us what you want us to say, tell us what we would want should have asked Ethan, you know, something we could have done better on the show. Again, we’re doing this for you guys. And we love doing it. So again, please go ahead. He takes us out.

Pete 33:47
I mean, the more we keep pushing, the better, it’s gonna get for everybody, because eventually they’re going to reach an edge. And we’re going to push them over and learn that this plant is for everybody. So we really do appreciate the time again, anything and again, everybody follow us on cannabis radio, like subscribe and anything you want to see because that’s how we’re gonna forward this narrative by spreading the word. So we appreciate the time that you’ve made and have yourself a great day.

Nick 34:07
Thank you so much, Ethan.

Ethan 34:09
Thank you so much, guys. Appreciate it.